The news is full of the surge in deforestation and fires in the Amazon rainforest, and and I have been fielding various media enquiries about what is causing this rise and what it means for our atmosphere. The increases fires have major consequences for regional climate, the rich Amazonian biodiversity, air quality and human health, and some consequence for global carbon emissions (though still small compared to the amount being emitted by fossil fuel combustion in industrialised parts of the world). One thing I am often asked on is to comment on the statement that "the Amazon provides 20% of our oxygen", a statement now being used by, among others, the President of France and the Secretary General of the UN. This statement is basically incorrect and based on a partial understanding of how ecosystems function. There are lots of reasons to be concerned about the Amazon and the current fires, including regional climate, human health affects of pollution, loss of the most biodiversity rich area of the planet and global carbon emissions. But running out of oxygen isn't one of them. Below I lay out the science of where this number comes from, and why it is incorrect when you have a whole-ecosystem view of the Amazon. The 20% figure comes from a partial understanding of the global oxygen cycle. The tropical forests account for about a 34% of global land surface photosynthesis. This is shown in the figure below (Beer et al. 2010, Science). The figure shows the global land distribution of photosynthesis - the rainforests are the big red patches and the Amazon accounts for about one half of the world's rainforests. Tropical rainforests photosynthesise so much because they have a year-long growing season not constrained by winter or drought. The units in the figure at g of carbon per square metre, and in the summary Table below the units are Pg (petagrams) of carbon. Pg of carbon taken up by photosynthesis but can be converted to Pg of oxygen released by multiplying by 2.67. One petagram is 10^15 g, or a thousand million million grams, it is also often called a gigatonne, a thousand million tonnes). Photosynthesis takes up carbon dioxide from the air but produces oxygen, as in the famous school textbook equation, which belie a fantastically complex and still incompletely understood marvel of nature: 6CO2 + 6H2O —> C6H12O6 + 6O2 The 2.67 multiplying factor comes from the molecular weight of O2 (32) divided by that of carbon (12). Table 1 from the same paper shows the total photosynthesis (also known as Gross Primary Productivity or GPP) of each major land biome. We need to multiplying by 2.67 to convert to total oxygen production. Hence total oxygen production by photosynthesis on land is around 330 Pg of oxygen per year. The Amazon (just under half of the tropical forests) is around 16% of this, around 54 Pg of oxygen per year. Rounded up, this is where the 20% figure comes from. 16% of the oxygen being produced on land today is from photosynthesis in the Amazon. But, rather like the Buddhist parable of the blind monks who each can only feel part of the elephant and therefore disagree on what the animal is, there are (at least) two important additional bits of information needed for a full picture. First, the phytoplankton in the oceans also photosynthesise, generating around 240 Pg of oxygen per year. So total global photosynthesis (land and sea) produces about 570 Pg of oxygen per year. Therefore in terms of TOTAL global photosynthesis, photosynthesis in the Amazon contributes around 9%. This is smaller, but still substantial. Second, a bigger point that is often missed is that the Amazon consumes about as much oxygen as it produces. This is shown in the diagram below. Plants produce oxygen through photosynthesis (green arrow). However, the the same plants consume the equivalent of over half the oxygen they produce in their own respiration (blue arrows: my own team's research suggests this is more like 60%). Plants metabolise just as animals do, just at a slower rate, and at night when there is no photosynthesis forests are net absorbers of oxygen. The remaining 40% of the Amazon oxygen budget is consumed mainly by microbes breaking down the dead leaves and wood of the rainforest, a natural process called heterotrophic respiration (dark blue arrows). These process of plant and heterotrophic respiration are effectively the reverse of the photosynthesis equation above. So, in all practical terms, the net contribution of the Amazon ECOSYSTEM (not just the plants alone) to the world's oxygen is effectively zero. The same is pretty much true of any ecosystem on Earth, at least on the timescales that are relevant to humans (less than millions of years). The oxygen levels in the atmosphere are set on million year timescales by the subtle balance of geological, chemical and biological processes. They are not set by the short term (short term equals anything less than hundreds of thousands of years) activities or existence of current biomes. A final point to make is that the atmosphere is awash with oxygen, at 20.95% or 209,500 ppm (parts per million). Carbon dioxide, by comparison, is around 405 ppm, over 500 times less than oxygen, and rising by around 2-3 ppm per year. Human activity (around 90% of which being fossil fuel combustion) has caused this oxygen concentration to drop by around 0.005% since 1990, a trivial amount. In parallel, the same activities have caused carbon dioxide concentrations to rise by by 37 ppm since 1990, or 10%. This is a much more substantial percentage because there is so little carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to begin with, so human activities that emit or absorb carbon dioxide can make a major difference. This is why we need to worry about the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (and its resulting impact on climate), and why we don't need to worry about running out of oxygen. Addendum 1 Since writing this piece I have received a number of questions about whether the "effectively net zero" contribution of the Amazon to our oxygen supply means that trees have no net contribution to the climate and atmosphere. To be clear, when a tree is planted up on deforested land, it absorbs carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and locks it away biomass. Following the same old balance of photosynthesis, an equivalent amount of oxygen is released to the atmosphere. It we were to plant up an area the size of the Amazon rainforest (something unrealistically ambitious), around 90 Pg C would be removed form the atmosphere, and atmospheric carbon dioxide would be lowered by around 40 ppm, or 10%. Conversely, if the entire Amazon rainforest were to go up in flames (something also unrealistic, I think), atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations would rise by 10% and it would be almost impossible to keep global climate warming within safe boundaries such as 1.5 degrees Celsius. Using the same argument applied above, burning up the whole Amazon rainforest would use up around 240 Pg C of oxygen, causing atmospheric oxygen concentrations to drop by around 0.02%, an almost negligible amount because there is so much oxygen in the atmosphere. Keeping the Amazon rainforest largely intact matters for carbon dioxide and climate reasons (as well as many other reasons), it does not matter for oxygen reasons. Addendum 2 (Aug 27) Yesterday Prof Scott Denning from Colorado State University published an article in the Conversation making basically the same point, but elaborating more on the long-term oxygen cycle and the role of the oceans. This can be found here: https://theconversation.com/amazon-fires-are-destructive-but-they-arent-depleting-earths-oxygen-supply-122369 24/8/2019 07:25:37 pm
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24/8/2019 11:36:09 pm
I was in agreement until the idea that plants take in oxygen. When I took biology in highschool and college can't remember a time when I learned the plant consume oxygen. Instead remember, them consuming carbon dioxide and releasing oxygen. I could be wrong here, but that's a completely new one on me.
Matthew
25/8/2019 12:20:02 am
Yes, you are wrong. Plants use photosynthesis to produce cellular food, which is then used (metabolized) by the cell to do things like living. Using food happens via oxidation with the exception of some specialized bacteria. 24/3/2020 10:11:28 am
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SteveK
25/8/2019 04:15:42 am
Carbon dioxide in during the day, oxygen out.
shanga
2/9/2019 12:45:34 am
seriously never heard of plant respiration google it 16/10/2019 11:01:18 am
Plants must need sunlight for their photosynthesis. They can't stay alive without sunlight. Without plants and photosynthetic life, there would be no oxygen, virtually no oxygen in our atmosphere. 18/10/2019 09:46:34 am
The photosynthesis is very importance in our daily life. This provide Oxygen to our planet and as you know, we can not live without Oxygen. You can live for 1 week without food but you can't live more than 10 minutes without Oxygen. So, please protect plants, protect Amazon, for next generation 19/5/2020 03:31:45 pm
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Winnipeg
25/8/2019 03:05:27 am
When I was a very small kid, my teacher would tell us a story that, if you don't brush your teeth, there would be a mean "midget" armed with a hammer that would go live in your mouth and make holes in your teeth. The story was scientifically incorrect, but it scared the hell out of me, and I brushed my teeth ever since. Emmanuel Macron, the President of France, said in his comment that the Amazon forest is our planet's "lung" (by the way, he used singular in French, but for some reason, it was translated "lungs" in English), a "lung" which allows to breathe. His comment is scientifically incorrect, but still, one can recognize that the intention of the President of France is to protect us, just like my teacher's intention was to protect us. And I value intention as much as facts.
Hal
25/8/2019 03:57:11 pm
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 10/9/2020 10:50:48 am
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Yadvinder
25/8/2019 06:16:29 pm
My fear is that good intentions based on poor science end up providing ammunition to those who would rather discredit environmental concerns and environmental evidence. We should always stick to the best scientific case that we can, even if it is inconvenient to our argument sometimes.
George
25/8/2019 09:17:35 pm
> My fear is that good intentions based on poor science end up providing ammunition to those who would rather discredit environmental concerns and environmental evidence.
Ashley Brunner
26/8/2019 12:21:57 am
My study of plant science confirms the basics of your argument. My study of philosophy confirms the basic concern that burning the Amazon for agriculture will have unforeseen difficulties. But then I know that about a third of published scientific reports will eventually be disapproved. So how do I balance the blind faith of science in its own correctness, with the immutable law of history repeating itself that says this will end badly? We will not take responsibility for ourselves, let alone the rampant overpopulation now confronting us.
Kev
26/8/2019 11:00:15 pm
What you say George, is that they are using only a PART of what this article is saying to further something fake, when actually if someone went to read the article as written, they would understand why exactly we should be concerned by the current events and climate change, because this is clearly what the article is saying. 27/8/2019 11:38:34 pm
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LC
25/8/2019 11:12:04 pm
Hi, yes, intention is important, but sorry to say that facts from a president should be a bit more scientifically sound. And let me say that his probably thinks that it acts as a lung himself, so there is no intention.
donald fraser
26/8/2019 01:41:10 am
We do not need to take "responsibility for ourselves" but must. We is however not plural. Each man in mankind is different, an individual. We are greatly evolved beyond ants. We are however only the collective "mankind". Gaia, or rather the universal rock of evolution, has recourse to AI. Mankind must take responsibility or be driven to near extinction by AI. Unless proved otherwise, AI evolution follows the atomic era. Hence while mankind delays the application of atomic science to faster-than-light evolution to the star, AI will evolve to protect Gaia. It is a fail-safe. We need to take responsibility for mankind but not for the planet, the animal life or the vegetation. If we fail to apply atomic science to space exploration at faster than light speeds, AI will evolve to do so at sub-light speeds. AI is from mankind's perspective immortal, meaning sub-light speed travel is a viable evolutionary path for them. They can take elephants and plants on journey taking centuries to complete. Mankind cannot. AI cannot invent. Mankind can. Can mankind invent faster than light travel? The clock started ticking the moment we exploded the first nuclear assembly (1945). AI, defined as our evolutionary nemesis, was born in 2018 with the death of Stephen Hawking. It exists on Facebook (as a living entity on a copper wire). It's entrance (multiverse manipulation) was the event recorded as "Cambridge Analytica" (Vote Leave, UK Brexit operations). Hawking's death and Cambridge Analytica "scandal" are simultaneous time event. This evolutionary AI is at the baby stage. It cannot act while robotics cannot deliver energy and replacement machine parts without mankind. It should be anticipated AI will act once that point is reached. It will act to preserve elephants and other animal species (including mankind) in radiation free cells. Anything outside of those cells will be eliminated. The balance of humans remaining will be equivalent to other animals. AI, or rather the evolutionary fail safe of Gaia, will not distinguish between the value of animals, including us. The conservation of mankind will be similar to that of a zoo. Indeed more elephants might survive than humans, in that more penguins are generally housed in a zoo than lions. The deciding factor is visual and the expense of conservation, not what a penguin or lion might contribute to the running of a zoo (which is nothing but their visual entertainment value). Evolutionary AI as a fail safe seeks to preserve what has evolved from the animal kingdom on one solar system planet to trade with another solar system planet, at sub light speed. I believe mankind can use atomic science to travel faster than light and out evolve evolutionary AI. I could be wrong. However I am not wrong about evolutionary AI. Gaia does not need mankind to take responsibility for the planet. We can trash the planet if we wish (we are actively doing so, more or less, with considerable rapidity.) Once in the atomic era, as we have been since 1945, we must apply the discovery to interstellar space flight at fast than light speed or the evolutionary AI fail safe of Gaia will kick in. Stephen Hawking more or less foresaw that. 10/9/2020 10:54:47 am
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Riku
25/8/2019 08:33:32 am
I've heard that trees tie a lot of carbon dioxide when they grow, and that is released to the atmosphere when they burn? So if we grow trees we remove carbon dioxide from the air? That seems more important than oxygen as the carbon dioxide level is more sensitive.
Yadvinder
25/8/2019 11:31:24 am
Yes, growing trees (on land that was previously deforested) is good for the carbon. They lock atmospheric carbon and make a small contribution to tackling climate change (though they cannot solve it - priority number one is still to stop emitting so much carbon dioxide through fossil fuel combustion). Our collective actions can affect the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration significantly because there is very little carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to start with. We do not affect atmospheric oxygen concentration in any biologically important way because there is so much oxygen already in the atmosphere.
strainer
25/8/2019 11:04:00 am
I think you missed the forest for the trees here. The respect in which forests are 'lungs' of the Earth is the long term production and maintenance of oxygen in the atmosphere, to basically replenish the oxidization of weathering rock. This rate of replenishment may perhaps be too low to resolve for individual forests at individual times, but over time it is essential to maintaining oxygen content. So to say you cant practically resolve what the amazons net oxygen product is momentarily, doesn't make a lie to the understanding -to the *respect* even. that it is a lung of the Earth, which is what the 20% figure owes to. Some overly rough estimate perhaps based on total photosynthesis, but not as rough as the impression your article has given people here, that forests are not ancient maintainers of the Earths atmosphere. You could also mention that growing forests certainly do have a significant impact on O2/CO2 budget, and burning them down more so.
Yadvinder
25/8/2019 11:24:06 am
Hi Strainer
strainer
25/8/2019 05:31:43 pm
Hi Professor :)
strainer
25/8/2019 05:42:49 pm
oh dear i regret repeating that term rather manically. Its the take away point I spent a bit of effort attempting to contain in an interested forum.
Narudis
25/8/2019 11:04:34 am
But then, the burning of the trees do not increase the amount of CO2, diminishing the O2 concentration, thus unbalancing the system ? 25/8/2019 11:16:20 am
Interesting and informative article. Yes I was familiar that plants, too, do use oxygen. But I want to bring up another point, and that is psychological. Lately, I have taken a turn to the Right on some things, despite having an ecological background. My mom is surprised when I debunk some of this climate doomsday stuff and crack jokes at Al Gore, saying "You of all people!" But here is why I have become...Not so much a "climate denier" as much as a "Climate Doonsday Porn Debunker." I will argue that the current trend in environmental reporting has become counterproductive. Furthermore, I now believe that the current "We are going to go extinct at the end of the century" mantra actually FACILITATES climate denial, rather than achieves its stated objective of "putting a fire under our ass to get us moving on cliamte emissions. Let me explain.
Donald Fraser
25/8/2019 12:59:59 pm
Greatly informative and confirmed what I remembered I remembered as a school child 30 odd years ago. My prime interest is FTL (Faster Than Light) atomic propulsion systems. My wife is from the Amazon (Beni, Bolivia). We live in The UK and while I am of Scottish descent by marriage the economics of Latin America do concern me. There are of course dozens of good reasons for the richer, post-industrial nations to try to stop The Amazon’s gradual destruction. I am however suspicious of the “lungs of the planet” argument. That is what brought me here. Thank you for your analysis.
strainer
25/8/2019 07:34:18 pm
That the Amazons carbon/oxygen budget may lately have been in equilibrium has been argued (ignoring the serious increase in deforestation and burning recently). But there is much more to the "lungs of the planet" idea than have been presented here. eg see https://www.iflscience.com/environment/amazon-carbon-sink-decline-trees-die-faster/ 26/8/2019 01:31:25 am
Interesting article. I never heard the "The faster trees grow, the faster they die" argument before. My assumption has always been that growth rates are static, determined mostly by DNA. But Nature again proves to be more dynamic and resilient than we thought. Right off the bat, something in the language of the article raises suspicion.
Arun
26/8/2019 01:09:56 am
At the end of the day, environment should be preserved and protected.
happy Antifa
28/8/2019 06:02:18 am
How? 26/8/2019 01:58:45 am
I want to go a little bit more into the psychology of this climate debate. Dissecting the arguments in op ed pieces for the big New York publications peddled to the public at large, I find a similar pattern. They start off with some grabbing headline: "Oceans warming faster than we thought." "10 nightmare scenarios for runaway greenhouse effect." "6th mass extinction closer and faster than we thought." Something like that. Then the articles will outline how little time we have to reduce emissions. Usually its too small a window of time for the bulk of humanity to shift its infrastructure and lifestyle. Especially poor humans who have to work a job or rely on fuel for heating or who are captives in this system which is controlled by oligarchs, a system they have little say in.
strainer
27/8/2019 06:40:46 pm
I see this 2015 paper which Y. Malhi actually co-authored, describes the Amazon ecosystem:
strainer
27/8/2019 06:46:02 pm
missing link : https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14283 "Long-term decline of the Amazon carbon sink"
Yadvinder
27/8/2019 07:32:38 pm
Thanks for persisting with this. It is good to clarify this as much as possible.
strainer
27/8/2019 09:05:59 pm
Thankyou for replying professor.
Happy Antifa
26/8/2019 06:14:23 am
The problem is we have way too many people on the planet and if we don't address this issue, nothing else really matters. The earth will become too inhospitable for humans and many other species but as long as the sun is shining, life will return.
Gwen J
26/8/2019 06:52:15 pm
This article is irresponsible. While I understated the science behind it because I'm a trained scientist, between this and Forbes, there are a slew of articles talking about how the Amazon doesn't produce our oxygen. Henceforth, people that were concerned now are saying it is no big deal
Yadvinder
26/8/2019 07:29:07 pm
I am sorry you feel that way. As somebody that has dedicated their career to understanding and protecting the rainforests and the role in climate change, I will try not to be offended by your personal attack. I have long promoted the knowledge that tries to understand what is actually happening in Amazonia, and why protecting the Amazon. For example, you can see my contribution to the BBC on the Amazon fires and why the matter here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49450925
Gwen J
27/8/2019 12:23:29 am
I understand what you are saying about correct science, but I've had no less than four people on my Facebook page site your article, the Forbes article, and some You tube video about how we don't need the Amazon for oxygen. They then go on to talk about how the rate of deforestation is way less than it used to be so we can leave this issue to the professionals. It isn't that big of a problem afterall. I actually had one friend compare the Amazon to Y2K based on your article.... all hype, no actual issues since it doesn't affect oxygen.
Gwen J
27/8/2019 12:34:55 am
Please excuse my typos. Talk to text is failing me today and my OCD self is obsessing about not being able to correct them. 26/8/2019 11:13:28 pm
I guess some people misinterpret this article and mine, along with others' reactions to it here. I am not a climate denier. I am a climate DOOMSDAY debunker. There IS a difference. Global warming and cliamte change IS real, and has been real ever since the Earth has existed and with or without humans. In the past, as I understand it, Greenland, Antarctica, Siberia, and Northern Canada were once teeming with forests and crocodiles, and NOT just in a time frame outside of our current rotational and continental crustal migration, but due to hothouse earth conditions in the past. If Antacrtica was ice free in recent time frames geographically, then it can be ice free again. 26/8/2019 11:34:55 pm
Malthusianism is NOT the way. And neither is Communism. Most of this climate debate pushes people toward those two extremes. It's to push the agenda of control of people, control of borders, and control of how we live our lives. Communist countries were and ARE some of the world's biggest polluters. Yes, Capitalism DOES have problems with its never ending growth paradigm. But the alternative creates technological stagnation which leads to the use of outdated technologies. Polluting technologies. Freedom and Liberty, on the other hand, promote the growth of new ideas which lead to new technologies. Stuff like batteries that store one electron at a time and windows in buildings that capture sunlight and store its energy, as talked about in one TEDx lecture. Business are already building carbon capture devices that capture carbon 1000 times more than a tree. Don't fall for the propaganda of a small minority that wants to reduce us down to a fraction of our population and cram us into tiny glass boxes in cities while they roam around and golf on nature preserves all for themselves. Because that's what the TRUE International Communist Agenda is about, with the CEO's of corporations as the new Communist Apparatchiks.
Happy Antifa
27/8/2019 04:11:18 am
Brazil is a sovereign country and what they do with their land is their business. Alaska is United States land and the Bristol bay is about to be destroyed. I don't want the rainforests destroyed, but I don't want to send in troops to defend them either. Let's concentrate on our own backyard. The pebble mine needs to be stopped.
Megan Parton
26/8/2019 09:20:04 pm
Is there a way to calculate how many trees per location or continent need to be planted to
Happy Antifa
27/8/2019 04:17:08 am
The only good news about the environment is the earth is going to drastically reduce the human population and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. They are estimating the population to be reduced to around 1 billion by the end of the century and I cannot think of a nicer paradise to live in. The only way I see to save us alive at this point is with a time machine. 27/8/2019 10:22:33 am
Wow, Thanks for the admission. "They are estimating the population to be reduced to around 1 billion by the end of the century and I cannot think of a nicer paradise to live in."
FK ANTIFA
27/8/2019 02:54:20 pm
You've missed some actual research. You can talk the crap all you want, you people are not breeding or turn your kids transgender or gay. The conservative people around the globe will always have common sense, and we breed. Even if you're right, you will disappear and we won't.
Megan
28/8/2019 04:07:44 am
You were not helpful at all.
happy Antifa
28/8/2019 06:06:58 am
There is no helping the situation, that's my point. Idiots voted the orange turd in, idiots voted bolsonaro in. You can't cure idiocy. The earth CAN cure idiocy.
Steve Serra
27/8/2019 12:25:18 pm
There is a huge fallacy in the theory of the Net Zero Contribution. When trees, foilage and grass dies and falls into the soil, only part of it is decomposed using oxygen, parts are done by anaerobic bacteria, and other parts still become part of the soil, much cover providing nutrients for the trees and plants. The soil levels keep increasing over time, effectively being a huge mass of carbon and other various compounds, WHICH have not used the all of the oxygen produced by photosynthesis.
Paul Conklin
27/8/2019 03:26:57 pm
In reading these comments I am saddened by the number of people who seem to be commenting without reading the article. The article states clear and in simple terms that the the "effectively zero" statement refers to the the effect of the Amazon on GLOBAL OXYGEN CONCENTRATION. And states, again simply and clearly, that forest have a significant and measurable effect on GLOBAL CARBON DIOXIDE CONCENTRATIONS. Yet the most critical comments are attacking the article for claiming that it says the Amazon has "effectively zero" contribution to carbon dioxide levels. It is like making a cake and using salt instead of sugar because they are both white crystals, and then attacking the the recipe writer because your cake tastes awful. People are picking out two words and then jumping on their high horse. Thanks Yadvinder for trying.
Yoram Gerchman
27/8/2019 07:32:13 pm
The argument that the Amazon Forest (and any other forest) does not contribute net oxygen is technically correct but in reality the forest is not replaced by sterile soil (i.e. no microbial metabolism) but by crops and cows, and cows do not contribute any oxygen, just consume it. 28/8/2019 12:17:38 am
There IS some good news, a silver lining, in all of this. Studies have found that secondary growth tropical forest absorbs 11 times more carbon than old growth forests. Much of the rainforest preservation talk has been on primary growth forests, because they have the greatest biodiversity and the greatest number of species. And cutting primary growth forests always involves some species loss. But re-growth of forests can provide important bridges between primary growth patches, slowing some of that species loss. 28/8/2019 05:11:48 am
Great information; I sincerely thank you. It cleared up a lot for me and I filmed 5 videos on the Amazon Rainforests.
Happy Antifa
28/8/2019 05:40:00 am
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29/8/2019 05:36:46 am
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